I train with a group that do not use e-collars. The group has a number of labs and 2 Tollers. I went this route as my first Toller has a soft personality. It takes more time and lots of effort. We call this sneaker training as you have to run out to the dog if it makes a mistake in the field and correct it at 100 yds. You have to have all the basics down for sit, stay etc and whistle sit …
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